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[worldmage.livejournal.com]

I take it you haven't heard of Lawrence and Garner v. Texas? All the anti-sodomy laws have been reversed.

Read and be enlightened. (http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html)

[1010110011.livejournal.com]

looks kinda like what happened during the civil war. (I make no generalizations, only familiarizations)

:scoff:
the wonders of today ..

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[griffen.livejournal.com]

Please re-read the comments to this post -- these laws are all invalid as of June 2003. Lawrence & Garner v. Texas, Supreme Court.

[1010110011.livejournal.com]

I didn't get anything from re-reading the comments, sir.

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[griffen.livejournal.com]

All of those laws have been made unconstitutional. Look at worldmage's response to this post. There's a link.

[1010110011.livejournal.com]

I know, I was just thinking and wondering because all those states were one of the last ones. . to reverse the laws, . . . I guess?

maybe. . they just are conservative that way. . or something. It seems its just a concentration down there where things do not progress as quickly as the other states. .

that's all I commented on, really. Perhaps, I shouldn't have.

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[griffen.livejournal.com]

Ah, I see what you mean.

The thing is, it doesn't matter whether they ever take those laws off the books. The USSC has said they can't enforce them anymore. That's what's so great about it.

[1010110011.livejournal.com]

indeed, sir, indeed.

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Aaah- now that I know where you were going, I'm with you.

[colubra.livejournal.com]

I've thought much the same thing: it's curious how frightfully geographically centered conservative state laws are...
Geographically centered in an area called 'the bible belt', too...
...maybe there's just something abuot the culture of the Southeastern US that lends itself to rabid adherence to conservative religious beliefs?
No, you're probably not the first person to notice this tendency, but you are the first who's pointed out to me that this specific subset of law is obviously influenced by geo-social BS.
Thanks for the pointer! :)

Re: Aaah- now that I know where you were going, I'm with you.

[1010110011.livejournal.com]

thankies. .

it just. . looked that way, see.

I do agree. .its that regional thing

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Re: Aaah- now that I know where you were going, I'm with you.

[thefirethorn.livejournal.com]

something abuot the culture of the Southeastern US that lends itself to rabid adherence to conservative religious beliefs?

try "something about the culture of the Southeastern US that lends itself to rabid quoting of the bible to excuse one particular rabid belief."

Oklahoma, I'm sad to say, has a huge divorce rate, as well as a sizable illegitimacy rate, both of which contradict biblical principals.

But, yes, mention gay sex and everyone will start shouting bible verses. Go figure.

Re: Aaah- now that I know where you were going, I'm with you.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_nopoeticdevice/]

I <3 your icon.

Re: Aaah- now that I know where you were going, I'm with you.

[thefirethorn.livejournal.com]

Thanks.

I think I need one that says "We're here, we're queer, hell, I'm not even queer and I STILL want to move the hell out of Oklahoma."

[kizoku.livejournal.com]

I know, I'm a few days behind, just got back from a family trip.

"It seems its just a concentration down there where things do not progress as quickly as the other states. ."

I want to shoot myself in the foot for defending the Bible Belt, I really do, but I live here. In one of those bright red states. And things do progress, we do wear shoes, I do not wave a Confederate flag. It's socially conservative, and as much as that pisses me off, it doesn't mean we don't "progress" as quickly. The belief that homosexuality is considered wrong because of religion, not because we haven't "progressed," and they do make a damn good point about it. If you've noticed, the Episcopalians are making a big noise about ordaining a gay priest, to the extrent of dividing the church- not a leading Christian denomination in the South. You can't say that we're not "progressing" because of the dominant groups in the area. It (homosexuality, sodomy) goes against what Southern Baptists believe, and we have not separated church from state yet, even in your area there are probably religious groups that try to influence the government.

I take offense because it's where I live. Please, find a new way to say things. You can't say that we aren't progressing because of the religious beliefs of one group that can find ways to have a say in the laws getting passed.

*long sigh* I'm done. Sorry if I pissed you off in any way.

[vampyreblood.livejournal.com]

I find this highly interesting

[emarosan.livejournal.com]

Ehm, all these laws have been declared unconstitutional, as mentioned above...

[potatofiend.livejournal.com]

You're kidding!! I didn't know there were still places in America where homosexuality was illegal!

That's ridiculous.

[emarosan.livejournal.com]

There aren't. Lawrence and Garner v. Texas declared those laws unconstitutional.

[bwd.livejournal.com]

True, the laws are illegal now, but it still shows where anti-gay sentiment most resides. Very enlightening, really.

gay marriage?

[biomechanic.livejournal.com]

too bad homosexual marriages still aren't legal in the US....i can see only one logical reason why, but i still think it's really stupid. people could take advantage of it through tax cuts and other advantages to being married...but who cares? people rip the system every day anyway, and i doubt many would try it this way.

so then there's the "moral" part of the debate. christians and other groups are against homosexual marriage because obviously, the pairing would never naturally yeild offspring-- and that's why they deem it wrong and unnatural. but then again, neither can infertile heterosexual married couples, they can't have children -- and i'm sure there's probably enough of them as there are homosexual couples.

so if a man can love a woman, a man can love a man and a woman can love a woman --- all loving eachother in the same way, then what makes it different? then why should marriage be forbidden? i see no good reason. we are afraid of what we do not understand.

Re: gay marriage?

[blindingelectra.livejournal.com]

and it makes me sick that President Bush himself said he would support an amendment to the constitution that restricts marriage to a man and a woman. Those are his religious beliefs, and if I'm not mistaken, the very same constitution says that our government should have nothing to do with religion.

Re: gay marriage?

[biomechanic.livejournal.com]

that's exactly right -- seperation of church and state. bush is a retard anyway -- you'd think that this country wouldn't want it's leader to be an illiterate. you'd think one of the most powerful countries in the world would atleast have a leader that was a decent public speaker.

I don't care if bush graduated from Yale and was a lieutenant in the air national guard, the man still can't speak. take for instance, adolf hitler(i'm not saying that i support his ideas in anyway, but...)-- that man dropped out of university and didn't make it farther than corporal in the army during WW2 -- yet partly due to the fact that he was such a strong public speaker, he was able to lead an entire nation to shun jews, gypsies/roma, homosexuals and the lame and lead a nation in an attempt to conquer europe and create a 1,000 year reich/empire and to exterminate all lives "unworthy of life".

maybe it's a good thing bush sucks at public speaking.

Re: gay marriage?

[biomechanic.livejournal.com]

*during WW1

[xavaxadorex.livejournal.com]

Yay! I live in Virginia.

I want to go perform acts of sodomy right now.

[harddaysmademe.livejournal.com]

i live in oklahoma :X that sucks, fucking bible belt. ahem.

[kohl-caked.livejournal.com]

Yes, living in the Bible Belt does suck. I, personally, wander around NE Texas... and well... I have never read the bible. Still, just from people shouting at me, I feel I know it's words by heart.

[lauraxz.livejournal.com]

its funny NY and CA have a big gay population --weird its not legal

leave it to my state to...

[punkcoyotie.livejournal.com]

make that illegal... Oy Kansans are Small minded

[matinee-idyll.livejournal.com]

Very interesting, even though I don't live in the US. Thank you for posting that!

[kohl-caked.livejournal.com]

It was pretty cool when I went to that rally thingie... and I got to shake Lawernce and Garner's hands. Just wanted to brag there, since most people I know have no clue who they are.

PS... thank goodness it is now legal in all states, due to supreme court ruling.

[x-lamia.livejournal.com]

good thing I live in Ohio, or they'd have to shoot me now.. or I'd move.

[beatlegirl87.livejournal.com]

wow. thats surprising. I didnt know it was illegal in some states! oh well, go CA!! and San Francisco with their gay district ;)

[thestreetlights.livejournal.com]

Wow. I live in Maine and there's a lot of gay or bi people up here! Weird. Well, I don't know if there are a lot of gay or bi people up here, but I do know people who are gay or bi.